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I’ve been in firefighter mode the past few days, especially today with Newburyport.com, so I haven’t had a chance to post anything substantial. I’ve been busting my hump for the past several weeks meeting with people for advertising on Lowell.com & Burbank.com, which has been difficult.  Ironically enough, after launching a foundation of a site on Newburyport.com just over a week ago, I already have an advertiser lined up for when I fully launch.  Needless to say, I am working overtime to get the site launched and generating revenue…

Anyhow, I just saw a post from Mike Cohen, and I will take the bait on it. I know Mike can have an abrasive personality when he posts on blogs and forums, but he has privately given me some good advice over the past couple of months related to my developed websites. Granted some of the advice hasn’t been adopted by me yet due to time constraints, it has been helpful to me and has generated new ideas. Mike says that he is going to share something that will help you, and I am going to take him at his word.

Sure Mike is also an advertiser, but I am not being paid to write this or post a link.  I am very interested in learning what he has to say about development – and am interested in seeing what he has to share with others.


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Comments (33)

    Johnny

    Abrasive?

    Don’t you mean arrogant, condescending, and belittling, as well as suffering from megalomania?

    April 14th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

      Elliot

      @Johnny

      I don’t understand some of those big words :)

      April 14th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    wannadevelop.com

    Elliot, translation = Johny has a secret crush on me…. kindergarten style

    It’s cute.

    April 14th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    JS

    The secret is inbound links (link building) to a page titled “Successful Domain Development Internet Business – Search Engine Optimization and Marketing”, which will help search engine rankings, generate more traffic, and selling more development service.

    That dude is sharp and a marketer!

    April 14th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    Mini Site Questions

    I’ve used a couple mini site developers for some of my domains and had some success. I’ve not gone hard core on outsourcing my work in mass quantities yet – mostly because my domain names are very subpar and the cost. I’ve spent much of my own time doing my development for myself and I enjoy it, especially since I do SEO and Web Development work full time.

    I’ve always been curious as to why some of the mini site providers spend so much time on building sites for others instead of developing their own domains? Is it more lucrative to work for others than it is to put your knowledge to work for yourself and focus on monetizing your own projects? Maybe it’s just the ability to give back and help other people that is the motivation for assisting clients.

    I know that if I were doing well enough with my own development projects I wouldn’t bother to have any SEO or Development clients. Long term, I’d like to only work on my own projects, but I’m definitely a couple years away.

    April 14th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    hanson

    If your ads work, and his seo skills are so great why does he need to beg for traffic

    April 14th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    steven

    Elliott,

    I am sorry to read and hear you gave Mike any face time. He annoys almost everyone that he comes into contact with. As you know, he has been kicked off at least one message board and just a matter of time until he gets removed from others.

    He might be bright, insightful, and sometimes helpful. However, that doesn’t change the fact that is a dumb ass and put in a room with 20 domainers, he might get his ass kicked.

    My two cents, Ignore him, do not respond to his posts, do not visit (mikes) blog. Everything he does is generally self serving. Anyone who shows no respect, does not deserve it. As you can see from an earlier reply on your blog…he is a douchebag that I am proud to say I have never met in person and would not use his services for free.

    April 14th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    Glenn

    Elliott,

    You’ve been exhibiting a trend in your posts of promotion to rather too readily give credit to unproven providers. It was also a step too far yesterday to claim success for the bullrider helmets site when obviously those clicks were from blog visitors.

    Now you’re testing our intelligence and loyalty by your praise, now and before, of Mike Cohen, someone who doesn’t seem to offer any proof of the results and achievements he boasts of or wisdom he alludes to in his numerous posts here and elsewhere. @steven has said the rest for me.

    April 14th, 2009 at 9:16 pm

      Elliot

      @Glenn

      I wasn’t trying to claim success ($8.00 is no success) and sorry if it appeared that way. The point of my comment was actually to show that clicks are pretty high value, so once traffic is there, it will hopefully pay off. Contrasting this with TropicalBirds.com, where clicks are anywhere from $.05 – $.15/each, this was a positive sign for me. Also, I strongly condemn click fraud and can’t emphasize this enough.

      Mike has helped me privately, and despite the banter, he does have considerable development knowledge. Assuming he gets the traffic, which he will I bet, it will be revealed publicly whether Mike has some good info to provide.

      April 14th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    Jim Holleran

    Elliot,

    Who is Mike Cohen? I keep hearing from everybody that he is the biggest punk in the industry. I don’t know him so I am not saying that myself.

    Thanks, Jim

    April 14th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    Tia Wood

    It’s funny. Everyone says “Mike has such great things to say”. I haven’t heard anyone say “Mike has done such a good job for us”. Still waiting for that. But now I’m curious. Hopefully it’s some good stuff.

    April 14th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

      Elliot

      @Tia

      I am curious as well.

      April 14th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    RKB

    If he really wants to help the domainers with his great advice, then why he needs 1500 visitors first?

    I am not sure if he is a development guru or not, haven’t done any business with him yet.

    I hope he does open everyones’ eyes to real development and money making though :)

    April 14th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    Tim Davids

    A person cant cry wolf forever…Mike needs to put up or shut up soon not to be too harsh.

    I dont think he has invented a new wheel.

    Hit the link in my name for more seo info

    April 14th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    Joe G

    Not sure if I can trust advice from someone who needs to insert the number of stars of their hotel into a random post.

    April 14th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    Jay

    has anyone ever had success with mike. I don’t care about his brashness …success is what i care about. who has seen his work or making money with work he has done. Thats the bottom line. Every successful domainer has their own ways of communicating that can be seen as arrogant i.e. rick and rick lantona. If you claim to build successful websites/minisites where is the proof. gives us examples. Show us how you did it or any verifiable customers making money and no BS. Promoting minisites and no results…..? i would rather have someone who talks shit but can back it up. The proof is always in the pudding. Its all about the $$$$

    April 14th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    wannadevelop.com

    Sorry but I don’t share most my works publicly.. I am sure all of you would of loved to go through it all out and copy it, wouldn’t you? :)

    Carry on…

    I love all the comments. Keep em coming!

    My next reply will be +20 comments from now minimum 😉

    April 14th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    Kevin M.

    Well it will be interesting to see what the ‘Best post of the year’ will be about. One can only pompously gloat so long before he has to turn his cards over. As I see it, falling short of a Straigh Flush or better ‘revelation’ post, seals the deal on his bragdocious reputation once and for all!

    Wonder if we should take odds on what to expect!

    April 15th, 2009 at 12:42 am

    Kory

    Right…go to Google, enter “Frank Schilling” then look at the sponsored links on the right. This scumbag used to also buy the keywords of “Rick Latona” and “domain boardroom” as well. Latona just about ripped him a new one when he found out 😀 Black hat SEO? no just one of Mike’s silly tricks. Where are the websitees samples?? hold your breath too long and you might still be waiting.

    April 15th, 2009 at 2:15 am

    Ed Keay-Smith

    Mike Who???

    Anyone who has kids will understand that the naughty ones get far more attention that the “good” ones.

    Class clowns may have their 15 mins of fame but will be forgotten in the long run!

    April 15th, 2009 at 4:06 am

    Roscos Blog

    If you go to http://www.dnjournal.com/cover/2009/march-wannadevelop.htm there is a couple of his mini sites at the end of the article. I copyscaped fishingseason dot com and alot was copied from other sites including wiki.

    There is also bits like “It’s” through out the pages which happens when you do copy and paste in some programs.

    April 15th, 2009 at 4:54 am

    Johnny

    The sites I have seen that he has made are literally worse than MFA sites. If you Wanna’ bad website than contract Wannadevelop.com.

    Again, hype from Mike. But yet no examples of any success he has ever had…..ever. He has been given many chances to show something, but yet nothing.

    He made a little money in the porn biz trading off of famous porn star domains and now he thinks he is a site building, SEO rock star.

    His domain should be wannabe.com instead of wannadevelop.com.

    April 15th, 2009 at 6:45 am

    David J Castello

    LOL I coughed out my morning coffee reading this:
    “He might be bright, insightful, and sometimes helpful. However, that doesn’t change the fact that is a dumb ass and put in a room with 20 domainers, he might get his ass kicked.”

    April 15th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Jim Holleran

    OK, now I remember this clown Mike from wannadevelop.com from NamePros.com. He is the biggest “FRAUD” out there.
    All talk and no action!!!

    April 15th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    Gordon

    you mean this isn’t a good page focusing on fishing gear?

    fishingseason.com/fishing-gear/

    April 15th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    Steve

    …’cross’ minisite (covert) testing?

    Intrigued by all the comments thus far, I took a look at the DNJ article mentioned above (Roscos Blog comment) to check out a few of the wannadevelop example sites.

    Interestingly, on mortgageaprcalculator()com [wannadevelop site] the ‘our contact info’ shown in the sidebar of each page links to worldonefinancial()com [AEIOU site]; which in turn links to MortgageModification()com [wannadevelop site] via both the final navigation tab & by way of a footer link on each page.

    In fact, all 25 of the mortgage ‘network’ sites [wannadevelop] are similarly linked to MortgageModification()com [AEIOU]. Could this (very heavy) cross-linking somehow be used to (covertly) test traffic or other stats? Or, have I unknowingly become so caught-up in the ‘drama’ that I am now seeing conspiracy theories everywhere I look?? […likely the latter!]

    Signed,
    Gas on the Fire? :)

    April 16th, 2009 at 11:36 am

      Elliot

      @Steve

      Too busy to look up Whois, but perhaps the sites are owned by the same person testing different mini site companies.

      April 16th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    wannadevelop.com

    http://www.mortgagemodification.com/ is a lead capture site setup by us.

    April 17th, 2009 at 12:54 am

    domain kingpin

    Next!
    Elliot, you are sucking up to your advertisers and it shows. One can not blog and take ads like you do and be fair. Therefore we have to discredit most of your advice.

    April 17th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Elliot

    @domain kingpin

    I am sorry if you feel that way, but I disagree. You can discredit anything I write that you wish, but I am fairly certain my blog is one of the most open domain sources around, as I don’t keep many things secret. I have done okay for myself and I want to share with others what I have learned along the way. If people don’t want to listen, that is their prerogative.

    I do think that people need to be vigilant and think for themselves when ANYBODY posts something. If you feel something I write is biased, then by all means look into it before acting. In fact, I think people should look into any strategy or advice someone else writes before determining if its the best course of action for them.

    Mike has given me tips in private that have been helpful, so I am willing to take a chance in the hopes that he will share something unique. You know what they say, fool me once…

    April 17th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    The Dude

    The only way I know Mike Cohen is when I bought a couple of ‘traffic’ domains from him on a forum a few years ago which turned out to be pump and dump domains. This guy is totally dishonest. Stay far far away.

    April 21st, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    stephen Douglas

    ROTFL
    I’m sorry, but I think Elliot is smarter than many of us by finally drawing MC into his trap, giving us all the ability to directly comment on him/it, where 99% of the 30 comments here reveal most domainers have him in the “desperate,” “unproven” and “douchebag” column. He has no proven record of success, which doesn’t give him the power to make provocative statements about other domainers and their companies/services.

    If MC was so smart, why doesn’t he just take the HIGH ROAD and show us domainers the good stuff he has to offer, instead of randomly attacking anyone he considers a competitor and alienating the majority of this industry? Even Frager is dogging him… granted, that’s some coverage, but too much bad coverage will haunt you.

    Dang, I spent time giving advice he can take and maybe grow beyond his image of being a bothersome wart and maybe becoming likeable, and I wasn’t paid for it.

    Good job Elliot. I got your number!

    April 25th, 2009 at 9:31 am

    Stephen Douglas

    Oh, my main point was the title of Elliot’s blog article on this numbnuts… “I’ll Take The Bait”

    That was the “secret” notice to those who know Elliot that he was actually “setting the bait” instead of “taking the bait.”

    Elliot is too crafty to reveal this, so I have done it for him… ummm, ooops… I hope he doesn’t kill me! dang, and everything is looking so rosy! Life is good, spare me, El-Silver! (say that ten times real fast “EL SILVER”.)

    April 25th, 2009 at 9:37 am

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